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	[[Image:~~Big_Red_B~~-~~17_Photo~~.jpg\|right\|300px\|Boeing B-17 "Big Red"]]		[[Image:Big Red B-17 Photo.jpg\|right\|300px\|Boeing B-17 "Big Red"]]

	''''Big Red'''' was a B-17F-90 Flying Fortress, serial number 42-30207.<ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref> which flew during [[World War II]] from 1943 to 1944.		''''Big Red'''' was a B-17F-90 Flying Fortress, serial number 42-30207.<ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref> which flew during [[World War II]] from 1943 to 1944.
	==The Plane==		==The Plane==

	'''"Big Red"''' was manufactured by [[Boeing]] Aircraft in Seattle WA, USAAF order number ac-20292 and cost $316,426.00. Received by the USAAF on ~~23rd~~ April 1943.		'''"Big Red"''' was manufactured by [[Boeing]] Aircraft in Seattle WA, USAAF order number ac-20292 and cost $316,426.00. Received by the USAAF on 23 April 1943.

	'Big Red' then went to the Cheyenne Modification Centre, WY on ~~29th~~ April 1943, project number 92111.		'Big Red' then went to the Cheyenne Modification Centre, WY on 29 April 1943, project number 92111.

	This project upgraded '''"Big Red"''' to B-17F-90 status.		This project upgraded '''"Big Red"''' to B-17F-90 status.
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	plus newly improved Automatic Flight Control equipment and elevator fabric attachment added.		plus newly improved Automatic Flight Control equipment and elevator fabric attachment added.

	After Cheyenne, it went to Sioux City, IA on ~~11th~~ May 1943, then flown to Smoky Hill, KS on ~~9th~~ June 1943.		After Cheyenne, it went to Sioux City, IA on 11 May 1943, then flown to Smoky Hill, KS on 9 June 1943.

	From there to Dow Field AAF, ME on ~~12th~~ June 1943.		From there to Dow Field AAF, ME on 12 June 1943.

	It departed the US from Dow Field AAF on ~~14th~~ June 1943 via Salinas AAF, KS (picked up by Lt. Richard Bailey crew)		It departed the US from Dow Field AAF on 14 June 1943 via Salinas AAF, KS (picked up by Lt. Richard Bailey crew)

	Assigned to '''[[388th Fighter Wing\|388th Bombardment Group (Heavy)]]''' -- 561 Bomb Squadron, Eighth Air Force, [[European Theatre of Operations]].<ref>Huntzinger, Edward J. The 388th at War. San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Yearbooks, 1979. </ref> <ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref>		Assigned to '''[[388th Fighter Wing\|388th Bombardment Group (Heavy)]]''' -- 561 Bomb Squadron, Eighth Air Force, [[European Theatre of Operations]].<ref>Huntzinger, Edward J. The 388th at War. San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Yearbooks, 1979. </ref><ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref>

	Then onward to [[England]] via, Maine, [[Labrador]], [[Iceland]] and Prestwick, [[Scotland]]. 'Big Red' finally arrived at [[RAF Knettishall]] in England June 1943		Then onward to [[England]] via, Maine, [[Labrador]], [[Iceland]] and Prestwick, [[Scotland]]. 'Big Red' finally arrived at [[RAF Knettishall]] in England June 1943
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	==The Crew==		==The Crew==
	[[Image:~~Big_Red_Crew~~.jpg\|thumb\|right\|360px\|The Crew of "Big Red"]]		[[Image:Big Red Crew.jpg\|thumb\|right\|360px\|The Crew of "Big Red"]]
	Back - left to right :		Back - left to right :

	George ~~Bartuska--Bombardier~~,		George Bartuska—Bombardier,

	Richard Bailey - Pilot,		Richard Bailey - Pilot,
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	The group and wing formation was accomplished and the briefed route was followed with only a slight deviation at the Initial Point, the last turn before the bomb run.		The group and wing formation was accomplished and the briefed route was followed with only a slight deviation at the Initial Point, the last turn before the bomb run.

	The assigned ~~target--an~~ aircraft factory in Amsterdam was 7/10th badly covered in cloud		The assigned target—an aircraft factory in Amsterdam was 7/10th badly covered in cloud

	and bombing results were poor because it was difficult to pick out the target area. No fighter presence and only light flak.		and bombing results were poor because it was difficult to pick out the target area. No fighter presence and only light flak.

	Lt. Bailey could not identify the target area, and so returned to Knettishall with all 10 of his bombs. '''"Big Red"''', did however, have 2 holes as a result of flak in it's right wing.<ref>Huntzinger, Edward J. The 388th at War. San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Yearbooks, 1979. </ref>		Lt. Bailey could not identify the target area, and so returned to Knettishall with all 10 of his bombs. '''"Big Red"''', did however, have 2 holes as a result of flak in it's right wing.<ref>Huntzinger, Edward J. The 388th at War. San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Yearbooks, 1979. </ref>



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	Lt. Bailey could not identify the target area, and so returned to Knettishall with all 10 of his bombs. '''"Big Red"''', did however, have 2 holes as a result of flak in it's right wing.<ref>Huntzinger, Edward J. The 388th at War. San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Yearbooks, 1979. </ref>		Lt. Bailey could not identify the target area, and so returned to Knettishall with all 10 of his bombs. '''"Big Red"''', did however, have 2 holes as a result of flak in it's right wing.<ref>Huntzinger, Edward J. The 388th at War. San Angelo, Texas: Newsfoto Yearbooks, 1979. </ref>

	~~==The Crash==~~



	~~GROUP MISSION # 86 BORDEAUX, FRANCE - 27th March 1944~~



	~~THE CREWMEMBERS~~

	~~Pilot : Julius Lederman~~

	~~Co-Pilot : Waite Deeds Law~~

	~~Navigator :John Joseph Carroll~~

	~~Bombardier :John Nunez Luzell~~

	~~Radio :Blair Harper Harman~~

	~~Top Turret Gunner:Herman Frank Hermanson~~

	~~Ball Turret Gunner :Louis Mizera~~

	~~Waist Gunner Right :Joseph James Kapec~~

	~~Waist Gunner Left :George Melroy Schwarzkopf~~

	~~Tail Gunner :George William Hewett~~



	~~So the final day began….~~

	On March 27th 1944, 21 aircraft from 388th Bomb Group set off from KNETTISHALL at 10.19 hours, their target the airfields, port and factories of BORDEAUX in FRANCE. They were part of a total of 546 B-17's that set out that day, from different groups. Big Red flew in the high
	~~'A' group at 20,900ft.~~

	They followed a route over the South of England, leaving the English coast at 12.10 hours. Then over the English Channel and flying over the Normandy coastline of France at 12.40 hours. Their route by-passed to the east of the hazardous St Nazaire area (also known as 'Flak City') around 13.25 hours. At around 13.40 hours, over the Western Coast shortly before the target area and bomb run, Big Red encountered major problems... FIRE! Flames flew out of the Top Turret motor and spread rapidly throughout the cockpit and surrounding area, the fire had got into the oxygen system and disaster was imminent. Big Red left the formation, a red flare was fired then the burning B-17 made a complete circle above the town of Aizenay, with more and more smoke and flames pouring from it, before finally going into a steep dive.

	At 15,000 ft Pilot Julius Lederman managed to level the plane and gave the alarm to bail out. John Luzell, John Carroll, Herman Hermanson, Waite Law and Julius Lederman bailed out of the nose escape hatch. Tail Gunner George Hewett not hearing the bail-out alarm turned around to see smoke coming down the inside of the fuselage, he climbed out of the tail to go out of the main rear escape hatch, but seeing the other gunners George Schwarzkopf, Joseph Kapec and Louis Mizera struggling to open the door, he returned to the tail and went out his own emergency hatch after remembering he had one !.

	~~Immediately after George Hewett bailed out, Big Red went into a dive and spin and fell from the sky with Waist Gunner George Schwarzkopf, Waist Gunner Joseph Kapec, Ball Turret~~
	Gunner Louis Mizera and Radio Operator Blair Harmon sadly still on board. Apparently the main escape hatch door was stuck and before they could get to another emergency hatch the speed and gravity of the fall made it impossible to get to another escape hatch.

	~~Big Red was totally on fire and falling too fast. Five members of the crew had already~~
	parachuted from the stricken B-17, but a sixth, probably Ball Turret Gunner Louis Mizera took the plunge without a parachute just as the central section of Big Red was about to hit the ground. He broke his spine in the fall, the Germans put him in a van to take him to hospital. He never arrived, having probably died on the way. An unconfirmed report from a tail gunner on another B-17 nearby said one crewmember jumped out of the Radio escape hatch but upon
	~~jumping hit the rear stabiliser of Big Red, his severe injuries made both accounts accurate.~~

	~~Eye witness reports say that with all the oxygen, fuel and bombs still on board, Big Red blew up with a massive explosion about 100ft above the ground and split into three pieces..~~
	~~It finally came to rest, making a huge crater, on the edge of the Forest of Aizenay.~~


	~~The remaining wreckage of 'Big Red' was later blown to small pieces by the German Army.~~

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nominating for deletion

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			[[Image:Big_Red_B-17_Photo.jpg\|right\|300px\|Boeing B-17 "Big Red"]]

	''''Big Red'''' was a B-17F-90 Flying Fortress, serial number 42-30207.<ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref> which flew during [[World War II]] from 1943 to 1944.		''''Big Red'''' was a B-17F-90 Flying Fortress, serial number 42-30207.<ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref> which flew during [[World War II]] from 1943 to 1944.

wikademia>CrayZatseA: It is Notable because it compleated 35 missions successfully, not many did that.

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It is Notable because it compleated 35 missions successfully, not many did that.

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	~~[[Image:Big_Red_B-17_Photo.jpg\|right\|300px\|Boeing B-17 "Big Red"]]~~
	''''Big Red'''' was a B-17F-90 Flying Fortress, serial number 42-30207.<ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref> which flew during [[World War II]] from 1943 to 1944.		''''Big Red'''' was a B-17F-90 Flying Fortress, serial number 42-30207.<ref>"USAAF Serial Numbers (42-30032 to 42-39757)". Encyclopedia of American Aircraft. Joseph F. Baugher. http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1942_2.html.</ref> which flew during [[World War II]] from 1943 to 1944.
	==The Plane==		==The Plane==